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From: Philipp Stanner <phasta@mailbox.org>
To: Alice Ryhl <aliceryhl@google.com>, phasta@kernel.org
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/4] rust: Add dma_fence abstractions
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2026 14:47:37 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3b216f24afb406b797b8bbb73b3f5c0eec2fdc6c.camel@mailbox.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ah19ZVkr7b3m7V_u@google.com>

On Mon, 2026-06-01 at 12:39 +0000, Alice Ryhl wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 01, 2026 at 02:26:17PM +0200, Philipp Stanner wrote:
> > On Mon, 2026-06-01 at 10:36 +0000, Alice Ryhl wrote:
> > > On Sat, May 30, 2026 at 04:35:11PM +0200, Philipp Stanner wrote:
> > > > +        unsafe {
> > > > +            bindings::dma_fence_remove_callback(self.fence.as_raw(), self.cb.get());
> > > > +        }
> > > 
> > > Formatting nit: Usually the ; goes outside the unsafe block.
> > 
> > I could have sworn that it was rustfmt who did that? Maybe because the
> > ; was inside to begin with.
> 
> Indeed, rustfmt will not change whether the ; is inside or outside the
> unsafe block.
> 
> > > > +/// A trait to enforce that all data in a [`DriverFence`] either does not need
> > > > +/// drop, or lives in a [`RcuBox`].
> > > > +pub trait DriverFenceAllowedData: private::Sealed {}
> > > > +
> > > > +mod private {
> > > > +    pub trait Sealed {}
> > > > +}
> > > > +
> > > > +impl<F: Copy> DriverFenceAllowedData for F {}
> > > > +impl<F: Send> DriverFenceAllowedData for RcuBox<F> {}
> > > > +
> > > > +impl<F: Copy> private::Sealed for F {}
> > > > +impl<F: Send> private::Sealed for RcuBox<F> {}
> > > 
> > > Why sealed? Just make the trait unsafe and require the things you
> > > require from the user.
> > 
> > This is far better. We definitely only allow the user to pass A or B,
> > and only then it compiles.
> 
> What if I have another type that I want to use here? For example, maybe
> I have a struct containing a copy field and an RcuBox. Or maybe I have
> an ARef<_> of some C type that uses rcu for cleanup. Then I must edit
> this file to add support for it?
> 
> > The unsafe implementation could be messed up.
> > 
> > I thought that's what Sealed is for. Or isn't it?
> 
> Sealed is for making 100% sure that downstream crates/drivers cannot
> provide their own implementations. But I don't see why you need that.
> All you require is that the value remains valid for one grace period
> after cleanup begins. As long as the type satisfies that, you are happy.
> An unsafe trait can require that sort of requirement from the user.
> 
> I think what you want is expressed well by `RcuFreeSafe` from this
> thread:
> https://rust-for-linux.zulipchat.com/#narrow/channel/291566-Library/topic/Consolidate.20.60PollCondVarBox.60.20into.20.60Rcu.2ABox.60/near/598726724
> 

I guess this is a question of design principles. If you demand an
RcuBox, you have a guarantee that it's safe.

If you demand an unsafe trait, you open the possibility for people
messing up.

Due to the unsafe-contract you'd have moved the responsibility for the
soundness to the driver.

I would not want to block your suggestion, but I am not sure whether
that's really the better design idea.

> > > 

P.

  reply	other threads:[~2026-06-01 12:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-05-30 14:35 [PATCH 0/4] rust / dma_buf: Add abstractions for dma_fence Philipp Stanner
2026-05-30 14:35 ` [PATCH 1/4] rust: types: implement ForeignOwnable for ARef<T> Philipp Stanner
2026-06-01  9:46   ` Alice Ryhl
2026-06-04  5:39   ` Claude review: " Claude Code Review Bot
2026-05-30 14:35 ` [PATCH 2/4] rust: rcu: add RcuBox type Philipp Stanner
2026-05-30 15:08   ` Boqun Feng
2026-05-30 15:27     ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-06-01  7:56     ` Philipp Stanner
2026-06-01 13:41       ` Boqun Feng
2026-06-03  9:33         ` Philipp Stanner
2026-06-03  9:35           ` Alice Ryhl
2026-06-03 15:27           ` Boqun Feng
2026-06-03 17:36             ` Boqun Feng
2026-06-03 17:07   ` Boqun Feng
2026-06-04  5:39   ` Claude review: " Claude Code Review Bot
2026-05-30 14:35 ` [PATCH 3/4] rust: Add dma_fence abstractions Philipp Stanner
2026-05-30 15:16   ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-06-01  8:46     ` Philipp Stanner
2026-06-01 10:13       ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-06-01 10:36   ` Alice Ryhl
2026-06-01 10:59     ` Boris Brezillon
2026-06-01 11:17       ` Philipp Stanner
2026-06-01 12:35         ` Boris Brezillon
2026-06-01 12:26     ` Philipp Stanner
2026-06-01 12:39       ` Alice Ryhl
2026-06-01 12:47         ` Philipp Stanner [this message]
2026-06-01 13:22           ` Alice Ryhl
2026-06-01 13:23             ` Philipp Stanner
2026-06-01 13:27               ` Alice Ryhl
2026-06-01 12:37     ` Boris Brezillon
     [not found]   ` <4F8E8E04-5AB5-4E6B-9194-5FC467E2313F@collabora.com>
2026-06-03 17:14     ` Boris Brezillon
2026-06-04  5:39   ` Claude review: " Claude Code Review Bot
2026-05-30 14:35 ` [PATCH 4/4] MAINTAINERS: Add entry for Rust dma-buf Philipp Stanner
2026-05-30 15:20   ` Danilo Krummrich
2026-06-04  5:39   ` Claude review: " Claude Code Review Bot
2026-06-03 15:22 ` [PATCH 0/4] rust / dma_buf: Add abstractions for dma_fence Daniel Almeida
2026-06-04  5:39 ` Claude review: " Claude Code Review Bot

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