From: Christian König <christian.koenig@amd.com>
To: Philipp Stanner <phasta@kernel.org>,
avid Airlie <airlied@gmail.com>, Simona Vetter <simona@ffwll.ch>,
Maarten Lankhorst <maarten.lankhorst@linux.intel.com>,
Maxime Ripard <mripard@kernel.org>,
Thomas Zimmermann <tzimmermann@suse.de>,
Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
Shuah Khan <skhan@linuxfoundation.org>,
dakr@kernel.org, Tvrtko Ursulin <tvrtko.ursulin@igalia.com>
Cc: dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Documentation: drm: Add entry for removing spsc_queue to TODO list
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2026 10:30:11 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aceb688b-4f65-4539-a4f1-fc5455b60a5f@amd.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260529215207.115513-2-phasta@kernel.org>
On 5/29/26 23:52, Philipp Stanner wrote:
> drm_sched contains a lockless queue (spsc_queue) that seems to be
> useless and potentially unsound.
>
> Add a TODO list entry for replacing spsc_queue with a locked list.
>
> Signed-off-by: Philipp Stanner <phasta@kernel.org>
Reviewed-by: Christian König <christian.koenig@amd.com>
> ---
> Documentation/gpu/todo.rst | 41 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> 1 file changed, 41 insertions(+)
>
> diff --git a/Documentation/gpu/todo.rst b/Documentation/gpu/todo.rst
> index cdddf8db35f5..87e082b0eb48 100644
> --- a/Documentation/gpu/todo.rst
> +++ b/Documentation/gpu/todo.rst
> @@ -948,6 +948,47 @@ Contact: Philipp Stanner <phasta@kernel.org>
>
> Level: Intermediate
>
> +Replace the lockless queue with a locked list
> +---------------------------------------------
> +
> +drm_sched is the only user in the entire kernel of a special lockless queue, the
> +spsc_queue. This queue utilizes:
> +
> +- preempt_disable()
> +- atomic instructions
> +- memory barriers
> +- ACCESS_ONCE()
> +
> +whereas a conventional spinlock utilizes:
> +
> +- preempt_disable()
> +- 1 atomic instruction for taking / releasing the lock
> +- memory barriers
> +
> +Moreover, drm_sched_entity_push_job(), the only user of spsc_queue_push(), has
> +to take a lock in some situations anyways and calls to it are often serialized
> +with a driver lock.
> +
> +It is, thus, highly questionable whether the lockless queue grants any advantage
> +at all. Considering that its internals are not well documented and its correctness
> +is not formally proven, it seems desirable to replace the queue with a mere list
> +or hlist that is protected by a spinlock.
> +
> +Tasks:
> +
> +- Replace the spsc_queue in drm/sched (and those who might access the scheduler's
> + internal queue) with a spinlock + (h)list.
> +- Ideally, check with some micro benchmarks and real world tests (preferably
> + with amdgpu) for relevant performance regressions.
> +- Remove the spsc_queue from the kernel altogether.
> +
> +Contact:
> +
> +- Philipp Stanner <phasta@kernel.org>
> +- Christian König <christian.koenig@amd.com>
> +
> +Level: Beginner
> +
> Outside DRM
> ===========
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-06-01 8:30 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 5+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-05-29 21:52 [PATCH] Documentation: drm: Add entry for removing spsc_queue to TODO list Philipp Stanner
2026-06-01 8:30 ` Christian König [this message]
2026-06-03 11:14 ` Philipp Stanner
2026-06-04 5:59 ` Claude review: " Claude Code Review Bot
2026-06-04 5:59 ` Claude Code Review Bot
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